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So i've been looking around for options at brake pads, and really haven't found much. Frankly i'm not a fan of oem pads as they dust a ton, have too much initial bite, and not a very good modulation. If you guys find options, post them up in here. Maybe sticky this and use it as a repository for future members??

I've emailed Cool Carbon brake pads to see what their thoughts are about making pads for our cars. I've used them extensively on my BMW 135 and love them. I think they're some of the best pads for street/auto-x use out, they just have very limited applications. Fingers crossed!
 

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When I lived in SoCal, the famous ex race driver legend Porterfield had a shop I think in Costa Mesa near where I lived. And they supposedly were able to custom make pads for customers.

Also, Hawk is (or was) a supporter of SCCA events. I think there was one other brand, but the name slips my (old) mind at the moment.

But if Porterfield is still around, I'd try them. If they can still custom make pads (though might need your original pads to bond the nee material on), you could specify exactly what performance, and materials you want on them.
 

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Yeah I know porterfield, carbotec and a few other brands will put fresh material on if you send them your backing plates. Just not very convenient for a DD to be w/o it's brake pads for a couple weeks. haha
 

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Brake pads are a very personal item. It's like scotch, cigars or breast size, one type doesn't please everyone.

To me, the OE pads are pretty incredible. I don't note the lack of modulation you, and others, have noted. I also find the initial grabby nature to be good and helpful in working the modulation. Of course, I'm only speaking about street driving.

In my experience, street pads, even ones made to make the driver feel confident, are still pads designed within the constraints of all temperature, all environment use and ones that to be reasonably quiet and last a reasonable amount of time (during the warranty period). So, while they may feel good and work better, or at least enough to make good magazine numbers and to make the auto writers gush about them, they will generally not hold up well to prolonged heat.

So, this weekend, on track at Summit Point, I expect to find pads that work very well for a few laps and then drop off quickly. Honestly, to have a pad last a 30 minute session is too much to ask for a pad fitted to a production car. The major manufacturers will make a range of pads for this car. Since 95% of them will never see track use, most pads will be made to alleviate concerns about dust. Frankly, that's sad. Some level of performance will likely be lost to keep the wheels more clean.

What will likely happen is soon, Performance Friction and Hawk will have their off road race compound pads available for this application. Those pads will be exactly what is needed. PF and Hawk are like the "Coke & Pepsi" of brake pads. The major players and usually people have one or the other they prefer. Mine is PF. I've used their compound class race pads on my Rx7's for 15 years.

I'm eager to see what the OE pads can do this weekend, but I don't expect much. I'll be on street tires and won't be out to set any records, so I expect the pads to perform well (for a while, anyway).

Hopefully, I'll have something good to provide.
 

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Eons ago, with my 79 RX7 (built for ASP, back when it was a new car), I played around with pads for both AutoX and time trials (Blackhawk Farms, and Road America - 4.5 miles long).

The stocks were ok. Tried Ferodo (remember, this was years ago, LOL), and it would take nearly 2-3 city blocks before the car would stop haha. Eventually I found that the Mazda Cosmo pads were a perfect fit, and had the right amount of copper in them to handle the heat, but were stock enough to stop nearly as good as cold stock pads.

And ever since, after the wild ride I had with those Ferodo pads, I have always leaned toward stock pads, and used them judiciously when on the track. And I left foot brake a lot, too.
 

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Ferodo makes quite nice pads for the street now, too. They're OEM supplier for Evo X, and a few other cars. My experience with Hawk has been unacceptable, and I'm not alone in the belief that their HPS pads are trash. Their race pads however, are great.
 

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I'm a big fan of the hawk dtc track pads. Their street pads are so so. I still think the best street/autox pad are the cool carbons. But sadly they aren't going to make pads for our car. They aren't even interested :-(. In the past I've tried just about every brand out there from ebc, to the pep boys special. Just would like a variety for this car. Sometimes you have to mix and match brands/ compounds to find the balance you like for performance driving.
 

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I'm a fan of Carbotech's Bobcat (1521 compound, IIRC) pads for heavier cars, I wonder how it would handle the ST for light track duty since it's really light.
 

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As the Fiesta is more popular in Europe, and has been available before ours, perhaps a solution will be found over there, and sooner.
 

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I called my local racing supplier who checked with his inside sales person at Hawk on availability for the new ST: The response was, "The Fiesta ST pads are in development but they have not created a part # or pricing yet. We are still probably two to three months out from releasing." Of course, I don't know how many kinds of pads Hawk is developing, or which ones... but I thought it should be known that at least Hawk is planning on supplying some aftermarket pads for us...
 

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Are the calipers different than previous fiestas on the front? I assume the fact that there is a caliper in the rear may cause issues but i suspect putting a better pad on the front will solve the mass of the issues. I agree that 1521's are likely going to be an optimal pad for this car, you will lose a bit of pedal tightness but this car can afford it, the added control would be benificial.
 

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I'm a fan of Carbotech's Bobcat (1521 compound, IIRC) pads for heavier cars, I wonder how it would handle the ST for light track duty since it's really light.
You'll smoke Bobcats on the track. Ran Carbotechs on my JCW MINI (R53) which is a bit lighter than the FiST and I had to run the XP10s to make them last on the track. Ran the AX6 on the rear and switched the fronts to Bobcats on the street. Loved them on the street though, good for fast-ish runs in the Hill Country around Austin.

Of course, YMMV and all other caveats, as people's braking patterns, skill level, and track make quite a difference.
 

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I have ran XP10's on a few cars but mostly track as did not drive them on the street much so never changed to street pads:)

Nice thing about the XP10 pads is the dust does not eat wheel finishes.

I forget what rear pads I would run, seems XP8???
 

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I have ran XP10's on a few cars but mostly track as did not drive them on the street much so never changed to street pads:)

Nice thing about the XP10 pads is the dust does not eat wheel finishes.

I forget what rear pads I would run, seems XP8???
XP8 is a very popular rear pad when running XP10/12 in the front.

The other great thing about Carbotech is that their track/street pads are rotor compatible. No bedding necessary when you switch.
 
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